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Old 03. Sep 2013, 02:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 03. Sep 2013, 04:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Came here to post this, but you raced to the finish line first

Well I think it's time for bye, bye Nokia?
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Old 03. Sep 2013, 06:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm still holding out hope we see a lumia phone with android on it now :S
I love nokia's quality, but the software on it... and I even use old windows mobile too, but I like android over windows phone
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With MS acquiring Nokia, I don't think you will ever see Android on a Nokia phone . Say goodbye to that dream
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MS has been trying very hard to brute-force its way into the mobile business. Buying Nokia is the next act in Microsoft's parade of desperation.

I think in five years, MS will be bankrupt.
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Saw this on the BBC earlier. And I just got myself a new (to me) Nokia. *sobs* I'll have to phone MS and see if they want to buy it.
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MS has been trying very hard to brute-force its way into the mobile business. Buying Nokia is the next act in Microsoft's parade of desperation.

I think in five years, MS will be bankrupt.
Are you smoking doobies, Doobie?

See Where Microsoft makes money which gives some idea of the worst that has happened recently. It hardly supports the dire prognostications of recent years.
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Are you smoking doobies, Doobie?

See Where Microsoft makes money which gives some idea of the worst that has happened recently. It hardly supports the dire prognostications of recent years.
First, it's no fun making predictions like "Microsoft will be struggling to maintain or increase revenues in five years." And, if MS does declare bankruptcy, it would be a tragedy if I couldn't honestly say "I called it five years ago."

The OS may be a quarter of Microsoft's revenues, but it's the foundation for Microsoft's other revenues. Windows sales will decline and as consumers become more accepting of non-MS products. Businesses will follow. Microsoft's revenue will decline and bankruptcy is the result of their spending habits don't track revenues. And, Nokia will be mostly written off in a couple of years - another hole in the boat.

There are things MS could to save itself. But, with bonehead moves like Windows 8, I don't see any smart leadership at MS.
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Doobie, in five years we won't be interested. So how about a one year prediction for the next step on the path to disaster?

I can see Microsoft going but it is hard to see it happening in five years with your scenario:
  • Five years is too short for the sort of decline you're talking about. Even Apple's declining years were more than a decade. It has happened to very successful but small and narrowly focused products and companies but Microsoft has a broader base. Other factors haven't changed enough: the purchasing life-cycle for non-handheld computers will continue to be at least 5 years; conservative decision-making will slow any transition e.g. hardware vendors will stick with Windows as long as they can; Microsoft is adapting; Microsoft is too conservative to smash their capital that quickly; etc
  • Microsoft is more diversified than it was five years ago. "Windows" is the foundation for much of their revenues but I don't agree that "Windows PC desktop" is now the prerequisite.
  • Microsoft has a more complete range of Windows products from handheld to server. And these products better meet the market than many of Microsoft's past failures. That doesn't mean it's enough to win dominance but it is enough to increase market share in non-traditional markets. We disagree on Windows 8 but I think the implementation has been boneheaded. There's nothing insurmountable about the interface and it's better than 7 under the hood.
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[*]Five years is too short for the sort of decline you're talking about.
I would have said ten years, but the further I pushed it out, the less relevant it is. What I actually think is that MS will simply fade from the prominent company it once was. Real bankruptcy won't happen without some serious mistakes by MS leadership.

Apple's decline was simple attrition, not market changes as MS faces. MS faces potentially a faster decline. I think that includes a much slower replacement cycle (contrary to what you said). For businesses and consumers, there is lot less pressure to upgrade than in the past, even if mobile computers weren't in the picture.

And, I think you underestimate the impact to Microsoft's overall business to lose mindshare because of the declining PC market. MS gets a lot of their server and office business because they've owned the PC desktop.
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