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Old 19. Jun 2013, 10:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This just about sums up how everyone we are speaking to here feels.


The protests for here in Teresopolis are scheduled for this week so we'll be sure to stay out of the city.

We were threatened by authorities who shall be nameless just for helping with a relief convoy into an affected area after the landslip disaster here two years ago because they didn't want the true state of affairs being publicized, so you can guess how they feel about unrest on this scale over the World Cup.

There is also a video made by a Brazilian policeman in circulation supporting the protesters. Unfortunately I can't link to it because of the graphic nature of other content on the site.

Suffice to say this isn't going to go away any time soon and with a "national security force" now being deployed to the major cities, anything is possible.

As ever, the key factor will be how the Brazilian media go about their reporting. Mostly they are tightly influenced by the minority here who control 95% of the country's wealth (and contracts for the World Cup/Olympics ) so it remains to be seen how they report it.
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Old 19. Jun 2013, 02:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have two friends who have gone to see 3 of the Confederation Cup games in Recife, so it will be interesting to hear how they got on in Brazil.
The protests appear to be a confused mixture of folk, from the political left and the conservative right, marching together but protesting about different issues: for example, corruption and rises in bus fares.
I hope things will improve for the 'man in the street' as Brazil is a beautiful country and is dear to my heart. Hats off to you MC for helping with the relief convoy.
The Brazilian president looked more than a tad miffed at the opening game and abandoned her speech. It doesn't look good to the outside world and if people do decide to stay away from the World Cup, Brazil will suffer with the loss of income from tourism.
This is indeed a tough situation to resolve.
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Old 19. Jun 2013, 04:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The video posted by one of the policeman on the site I cannot link to has now been translated, albeit a bit roughly, from Portuguese into English as follows:

"Heís a police man expressing how he enjoys being a police man, but only the serving of people, not the corrupt version (that we mostly see). There are upgrades going towards venues that give the government money (world cup), and not the health care or education. He feels he may get sick and chance his life because of how bad the health care is. Heís crying due to that he disagrees about what is going on, being on the side of the protesting, taking favor for the public. He then goes on about friends of his dying in hospitals because of the long wait of being at least looked at and taken care of by the hospitals.

He then goes on that he enjoys the sport, football, but he disagrees that the government only cares about the world cup. He knows why he serves as a police officer, but he disagrees that the government tells him, along with other police, to go out there, stop the protests, continue with the shooting and tear gas. The guy doesnít want to and doesnít like to because he wants to serve the people, not corruption.

He goes on about that all of what he is told to do, along with putting his life in danger against criminals, gets such a low salary, that he is reduced to rice and egg every day, tired of seeing his wife and son not getting any meat because of the low salary. And it isnít just about the bus fares. Yes they increase, but it makes it harder with the cutting salaries and everything else increasing. The other police feel the same in the mind, even if they are there physically.

He then goes on (around 3:00 mark) that at one time as he was in front, that the people were trying to express their feelings, not violence and one couple came up to give him (specifically), some flowers as proof of peaceful protest, but he was ordered through his earpiece to start shooting them. Then there are the police who arenít human because of the things they do to people, with what goes on inside the police hall, to go ahead and ask friends about those people. He states that there are those, like him, who receive orders not to put the criminals in jail, but the protesters instead, or face jail time, lose job as consequence. (Basically, let the murderers, thieves out doing whatever, but snatch the protesters.) Towards the end, he basically explains in short summary what he said".
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Old 20. Jun 2013, 09:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
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In the end the protest here yesterday was relatively small because a much bigger one has been planned for next week.

This gives an unbiased report of the current situation nationwide.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22981809

What this, or any other report, doesn't say about the bus fare increase in Teresopolis is there is only one bus company operating with a complete monopoly. No other agents are allowed to compete, nor are "combis" allowed as in Rio and other cities. Why?.. because the bus company owner (who was recently granted another 25 year exclusive license) makes sure those responsible for setting the rules are "rewarded".
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The nightly world news (USA) had coverage of the protests there. They mentioned Rio and said there were protests going on all many cities.
It may not make much difference but at least there are news sources watching from outside the country.
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It may not make much difference but at least there are news sources watching from outside the country.
Even the most highly influenced of local media are finding it hard to ignore the current situation.

One issue not being widely reported yet is with the police tied up at demonstrations, the thieves are having a field day in other parts of the cities. No doubt this will be used as an excuse for what comes next because I sense a more severe response from the authorities is coming.
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read a story about this today. hope you're clear of the physical conflicts.
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hope you're clear of the physical conflicts.
Sort of. We live in a safe upmarket area but unfortunately anything you need to do with banks, bills etc., can only be done in the city which is a compact place with only one road in so it is very difficult to avoid trouble should it occur. Additionally, the buses and taxis stop immediately there is any sign of trouble leaving you stranded.
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More from the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23013666
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All tyranny and evil needs is for good people to do nothing. No country is immune.
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