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Doobie 01. Dec 2012 01:54 AM

Win8, MS's swan song?
 
Is there a Windows 8-compatible freeware list (not apps!)?

Hi. I have Win8 on a PC. I needed to pen a RAR compressed file. At the MS app store, turns out that there not yet any good free compression software. I tried an app,, and discovered that it couldn't open password protected RAR files. So, I downloaded WinRAR.

Then I needed something to mount a CD image. Failed again at the MS app store. Then I tried here. Gizmo's top choices don't work with Win8. MagicDisk's website claims to have a download for Win8, but Win8 balks at installing it with an error message saying it's incompatible.

The new Win8 tablet interface is a no-go on a real PC (that's another rant). The traditional interface is available, but MS has made it rather unfriendly. Ugly visuals, no start menu, and until you install older style software to handle file types, clicking on various file types sends you flying back into the tablet interface. Oh yes, and compatibility issues of a scope I still have to determine (in spite of Win 8 claiming to be version 6.2 vs. Win 7 as 6.1).

Seriously, it's as if MS has completely written off the PC except as a place to recruit users for Microsoft tablets.

NOTE TO MS: WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? You'll kill the golden PC goose and not gain tablet success, at this rate. You're not winning my good will by twisting my arm to use the new interface. And, if you really thought you needed to twist arms, you should have waited until the new interface and the app store were more mature before you started that arm twisting.

Remah 01. Dec 2012 03:28 AM

If your applications can't run then can you also tell us the download and version details so we don't test the wrong version.

Hard to agree with your other complaints as Windows 8 works fine for me. I do think Microsoft could have done a lot better job of helping new users but Windows 8 remains easily usable.

Re Windows 7 compatibility, I've had to make no changes to the way that I download Windows 7 programs and I've had no problems with any Windows 7 software that I've tried so far.

I only download through the Windows Store if I want Windows 8 apps.

The problems I've had with file types are exactly the same ones I have had on Windows 7. I have to install the software for that file type.

Doobie 01. Dec 2012 04:30 AM

"Download for Windows 8 x86/x64 Edition" (http://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/mi...c-overview.htm)

It explicitly says "Download for Windows 8" on their website yet Windows says the program is incompatible when you try to install it.

Oh, yes, and I had already noted that you have to install older style applications else opening various file formats will send you flying back to the tablet interface, because Microsoft's bundled apps are tablet apps.

I'm sure Windows 8 works just fine for simple people.

Remah 01. Dec 2012 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Doobie (Post 79519)
"Download for Windows 8 x86/x64 Edition" (http://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/mi...c-overview.htm)

It explicitly says "Download for Windows 8" on their website yet Windows says the program is incompatible when you try to install it.

Thanks, I got the same problem. There's no difference between the Windows 7 and Windows 8 setup files for MagicDisk. It works fine in Windows 7 but not in Windows 8.

I haven't got time to work out why so I didn't try manual changes to the compatibility settings.

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Originally Posted by Doobie (Post 79519)
Oh, yes, and I had already noted that you have to install older style applications else opening various file formats will send you flying back to the tablet interface, because Microsoft's bundled apps are tablet apps.

Except that I wasn't saying that 'you have to install' desktop apps to resolve the problem.

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Originally Posted by Doobie (Post 79519)
I'm sure Windows 8 works just fine for simple people.

Insulting me by implying I'm simple? Yet, simple soul that I am, it doesn't change the fact that Windows 8 is not as bad as you want us to think it is. Every major change to Windows inconveniences many people. I'm just happy that Windows is not going to be left behind by its competition, that so far I can run all of the old applications I want to use, and that there are viable options for using the same new interface on every platform I use.

Doobie 01. Dec 2012 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Remah (Post 79521)
Insulting me by implying I'm simple?

No, I mean people who are happy with single-tasking full-screen light-weight apps.

Remah 01. Dec 2012 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Doobie (Post 79523)
No, I mean people who are happy with single-tasking full-screen light-weight apps.

That makes more sense.

I've been trying out a lot of those apps and the problem isn't their simplicity. At present most of them appear to me to be like prototypes: they aren't delivering on the basic features, they're buggy, and they haven't adapted to the advantages of the new interface.

Doobie 02. Dec 2012 04:43 AM

Windows 8 essentially doesn't come with any software for the non-tablet GUI. That includes the games that were bundled in previous version of Windows. In the Windows 8 preview, I could copy the Windows 7 games over to 8 and play them. In the Windows 8 version that shipped with my computer, no dice. Uh, no cards.

I know how to make it work, but that's not the point.

wdhpr 02. Dec 2012 08:34 AM

There will always be those that disparage the gripes and complaints about Win8. Doobie you have hit the nail on the head.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doobie
NOTE TO MS: WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? You'll kill the golden PC goose and not gain tablet success, at this rate. You're not winning my good will by twisting my arm to use the new interface. And, if you really thought you needed to twist arms, you should have waited until the new interface and the app store were more mature before you started that arm twisting.

Honestly I don't think Microsoft cares. Their philosophy is probably something like: Hey I got an idea, lets build a operating system that only works well on tablets, then lets build tablets thus killing 2 birds with one stone. The problem is the stone disappeared in the brilliant bright light and crashed onto their own skulls.

A happy Win7 user 5% of the time and a happy Linux user the remaining 95% of the time. ;)

Remah 03. Dec 2012 02:58 AM

This is the best critique of Windows 8 that I've read.

Here's a view that sees Microsoft in a death spiral. I might believe it if Microsoft were forcing people to use Windows 8 but as with earlier versions the user usually determines when to upgrade.

MidnightCowboy 03. Dec 2012 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Remah (Post 79651)
I might believe it if Microsoft were forcing people to use Windows 8 but as with earlier versions the user usually determines when to upgrade.

User choice is a relative term because IMO from cars to soap powder (and Microsoft) folks tend to "choose" what they are manipulated into doing by those with the best marketing team. Even a bad marketing team with a high budget can achieve the same results.

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