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Old 03. Dec 2012, 05:26 AM   #11 (permalink)
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User choice is a relative term because IMO from cars to soap powder (and Microsoft) folks tend to "choose" what they are manipulated into doing by those with the best marketing team. Even a bad marketing team with a high budget can achieve the same results.

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I wasn't saying they had a choice only that the timing is under their control.

My father and sister went out and upgraded to 8 on their laptops so they could the wonderful features on the touchscreen tablets.
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Old 03. Dec 2012, 05:57 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Post Steve Ballmer's nightmare...

Well, I think this article could provide some insight into MSFT and Ballmer's current situation. I think it is worth a good read.
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Old 03. Dec 2012, 06:20 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Interesting but the analyses assume too much in comparing Microsoft and Apple. Microsoft is at the centre of a large ecosystem which involves many manufacturers. You can't consider Microsoft vs Apple without considering those companies just as you can't consider iOS versus Android without considering the hardware suppliers.
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... Oh, yes, and I had already noted that you have to install older style applications else opening various file formats will send you flying back to the tablet interface ...
So if you know this then why do you whine about it? It was like this EVER SINCE... If file type XYZ is not registered to be handled by program ABC then no luck. New (and admittedly sort'a dumb) is to "throw people back".

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... ... I'm sure Windows 8 works just fine for simple people ...
Everyone here tries to help those that have real problems or meaningful questions.

Insinuating by context that the moderator is too simple a mind to operate at your level is offensive! I think an apology is appropriate.

Added 10 min later: Maybe I should have read the whole thread before writing the above
But what I said above stands!

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I believe MS has panicked. And, in doing so, MS has just made Windows less relevant by making the traditional windows desktop uninviting. A major OS upgrade should have been a boon to PC sales. But, during the first four weeks of Windows 8 being available, PC sales have fallen a whopping 21% over the same period last year.

This is the best chance yet for Linux to gain some ground on the desktop.
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This is the best chance yet for Linux to gain some ground on the desktop.
Unintentionally hilarious.

Which flavour of Linux and which people would be doing this? Linux is a marketing disaster and the developers can't fix that as long as they have such a strong tendency to fragment their efforts.
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Unintentionally hilarious.

Which flavour of Linux and which people would be doing this? Linux is a marketing disaster and the developers can't fix that as long as they have such a strong tendency to fragment their efforts.
Okay, I deserved that.
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Linux is a marketing disaster and the developers can't fix that as long as they have such a strong tendency to fragment their efforts.
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Linux can't get popular without being preinstalled in PCs sold to customers. I remembered this was mentioned by Linux founder.
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Linux can't get popular without being preinstalled in PCs sold to customers. I remembered this was mentioned by Linux founder.
Despite the many bad things happening in the new place I now call home, some things in Brazil are far in advance of the so called first world, including investment in bio fuels. Another is user choice for PC operating systems. Casas Bahia for instance which is about the biggest retailer is currently offering 67 Windows installed desktops and 73 with Linux. Another retailer, Ponto Frio lists 109 Windows systems and 173 with Linux pre-installed.
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Despite the many bad things happening in the new place I now call home, some things in Brazil are far in advance of the so called first world, including investment in bio fuels. Another is user choice for PC operating systems. Casas Bahia for instance which is about the biggest retailer is currently offering 67 Windows installed desktops and 73 with Linux. Another retailer, Ponto Frio lists 109 Windows systems and 173 with Linux pre-installed.
Are these Linux boxes from big OEMs or are they locally assembled? Jojoyee is right that Linux will not make much of a dent in the PC market until Linux systems are in the stores. But in the US the Microsoft hegemony and the Windows ecosystem with tight ties between the OEMs, the retailers, and Microsoft are a big hurdle for Linux. Microsoft has many pressure points on the market. The anti-trust suit loosened things a bit but I remember when you could not buy a PC from Dell or others unless it had Windows. Microsoft forced this condition on all the big OEMs.
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