iTunes 10.5

[rikishi19]

With the new release of itunes 10.5, it no longer requires Quicktime.

Maybe they are finally reducing the bloat involved.

Will be interesting to see how the new iCloud service works too. Although I have way more music than the free 5GB limit, so may not even use it.

As I have a 64-bit system this is the support link for 64-bit, so take note not to download from here if you don't require 64-bit.

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1427

[Anupam]

Indeed, its good that they are no longer including QuickTime with iTunes. It just added to the bloat and was of no use. I thought that they used the QuickTime engine internally in iTunes to play the media files.

But, even with not including QuickTime in iTunes, the setup size, has not gone considerably down... only 11 or so MB. That's not much, I expected more.

Also, the install size on disk for iTunes has increased too.

Anyways, you like it or not, but, iTunes is the best way to manage iPod. I have tried other iPod managers, and some of them are quite good, but they lack in some features or the other, specially with photos, and videos.

So, to manage an iPod properly, iTunes is the best. I too don't like the bloat that comes with it, but since I came across this guide, I have been quite happy. Here it is, for anyone else who wants to install iTunes without the extra bloat.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/the-u...bloatware/2390

Its a long article, but I will just write in short what to do.

Extract the contents out of the iTunes setup file, with the help of a zip software, like 7-zip, into a folder. The folders will contain different .msi files. After that use command line to go to that folder, and execute these commands :

AppleApplicationSupport.msi /passive

Quicktime.msi /passive

iTunes.msi /passive (on a 64-bit Windows system, use iTunes64.msi /passive)

Since QuickTime is not included in this latest version, then the second command should be omitted.

I have tried this by not including the passive command, but if you do that, you end up installing everything, including the extras, so make sure that /passive is used. But, after that, iTunes will associate the audio files with itself, and you will have to sort that out, if you don't want that.

[Anupam]

Well, I discovered yesterday, that even though QuickTime is not being included in iTunes anymore, its still required. Without QuickTime, you cannot copy movies to iPod, and the existing movies on iPod won't play on iTunes too.

I thought they had done away with QuickTime for good. Maybe it was better if it was included, because without that too, the setup file size has not decreased.

[Remah]

Originally Posted by Anupam

Well, I discovered yesterday, that even though QuickTime is not being included in iTunes anymore, its still required. Without QuickTime, you cannot copy movies to iPod, and the existing movies on iPod won't play on iTunes too.

"H.264 and MPEG-4 video in .mov, .m4v, and .mp4" are meant to work fine

Do the movies play OK on iTunes?
Is it only the transfers to and from iPod that are affected?
What iPod version have you got?

[Anupam]

Originally Posted by Remah

Do the movies play OK on iTunes?
Is it only the transfers to and from iPod that are affected?
What iPod version have you got?

Without QuickTime installed, the movies do not play on iTunes. They play on iPod though.

And yes, the transfer of video files is affected, when QuickTime is not installed. This issue made me quite crazy actually. I generally use XmediaRecode to convert the videos to iPod format. As usual, I tried that, and converted, but the video won't transfer to iPod via iTunes. It threw error, that the video cannot be played on this iPod. I thought there is something wrong with the conversion. I tried many different iPod converters, and was really puzzled. Then, I tried to play an existing movie on iPod on iTunes... then I came to know that it required QuickTime. I installed QuickTime, and the videos were transferred to iTunes without problem.

I have iPod Nano 3G.

[Remah]

Originally Posted by Anupam

Without QuickTime installed, the movies do not play on iTunes.

Strange problem.

My movies are all playing OK. I removed QuickTime after I installed iTunes and before I played the movies. The only part I haven't tested is device connection.

I am using the version of iTunes for 64-bit Windows but both versions are meant to work the same.

[Anupam]

Your movies play fine on iTunes, without QuickTime installed?

I am talking of the situation, where my iPod is connected to the computer, and iTunes is active. Then, the movies which are on iPod do not play on iTunes... when QuickTime is not installed.

If that's playing on your PC, that's certainly strange.

Try transferring videos from your PC to iPod via iTunes, and see how it behaves.

Yes, both versions should behave the same.

[Remah]

Originally Posted by Anupam

I am talking of the situation, where my iPod is connected to the computer, and iTunes is active. Then, the movies which are on iPod do not play on iTunes... when QuickTime is not installed.

That's what I understood you said. As I said, I haven't connected any devices - I have to get permission to borrow one of my kids' iPods.

I read iPod 101: Which Files Work With iPod and iTunes and strangely it doesn't mention video for the nano.

[Remah]

Connected iPod nano (4g/5g) and have no problems playing nano videos (mp4 H.264) through iTunes (10.5.1.2 64-bit) without QuickTime installed.

Maybe your movies are MOV files and QuickTime might be needed for those?

[Anupam]

Yes, strangely, it does not mention video for nano on that page. However, for iTunes, its written :

iTunes can handle just about any file format that works with QuickTime and will play any file purchased or downloaded from the iTunes Store. If you've got video files that end with a .mov, .m4v, or .mp4 file extension, you can watch them in iTunes.

So, from above, it means that QuickTime is required to play the media files.

And, the videos I am using are MP4.

Did you try transferring the videos to iPod using iTunes, without QuickTime installed?

I am not using the latest version of iTunes though.. still using 10.5.0. 10.5.1 has been out only recently, and I have yet to download it. But, I don't think it should make any difference.