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Old 03. Apr 2012, 08:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs down Is PicPick bundled with OpenCandy?

There is no mention of OpenCandy in it's EULA and the recommendations that it gives is not like what OpenCandy offers, mainly because all the boxes (corresponding to toolbar installation) are checked by default. Furthurmore, what made me interpret it's behaviour to that of OpenCandy is that, I ran the installer thrice and it offered me Babylon toolbar first, then SweetIM and then MyStart. Every time the installer is fired it's giving random recommendations. Any idea?

edit: It does seem like, it's scanning the system, because there's a short lag after accepting the "Terms and Conditions" in its EULA
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Old 03. Apr 2012, 08:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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ESET pops up a warning "Address blocked" to downloadcdn[dot]betterinstaller[dot]com and installercdn[dot]filebulldog[dot]com , after accepting the terms and conditions. Threats have been found on this site according to reports from http://www.scumware.org/report/downl...rinstaller.com
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Old 03. Apr 2012, 08:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I had trouble with PicPick in the past. I'm still on version 3.0.5 and never allow it to update anymore because it installed stuff I didn't ask it to - can't remember what, though.

I've also come across BetterInstaller bundled with some of the radio programs I use, it's installed and run a few times - even though I didn't give permission. I just kill the process from task manager, then use search everything to find it and delete it manually. Some of this bundled stuff with software is a nuisance, you have to be more and more careful when installing stuff these days.
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Old 04. Apr 2012, 06:14 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I think it's also worth repeating that the type of third party bundled software, and the way it acts on installation, is constantly changing within products and is beyond the scope of many of our editors to keep up with it as this would involve retesting everything featured on a weekly basis.

As deya says, the best policy is just to take care with everything and assume that it comes bundled with something. A good initial guide is to Google the chosen product followed by "bundled software" such as "PicPick bundled software".

Among the entries on the first page you should find enough information to make an informed choice about whether you want it at all and if so how to manage the install process to avoid being "toolbared", or something else

See the note here for instance from one of the search results:

http://www.techspot.com/downloads/4861-picpick.html
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Old 04. Apr 2012, 06:28 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks MC. Adware/Trojan variants? That's what techspot.com defines about the installer of PicPick! Though their site picpick.org gets a very high positive rating from WOT!
http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/picpick.org
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Well I don't think Trojan is an apt description, but certainly adware is. This in itself would not be a reason for WOT to degrade their site rating.
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Old 04. Apr 2012, 12:15 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It just goes to show that if you take the time to do a bit of research you can save yourself some trouble, as highlighted by MC and the link. Also, when installing anything now, I take extra care before clicking 'next' - read everything, and even then I often use the 'back' button to check again, just to be sure. That said, I've still been caught out on occasion, as I was with PicPick previously.

The link that George.J has provided kind of highlights the confusion that you sometimes get with the WOT ratings. If you look at the scorecard you can see the warnings are right there, two red ratings at the bottom - 'Browser exploit' and 'Spyware or adware'. Also the one above (in French) mentions in the 'Ps' part about the toolbar and homepage change, and yet the reviewer still rates it 'green'.

But to be fair to the this site, Gizmos, in the 'best free screen capture utility' section the warning is right there for all to read. I'll quote it here for those who haven't seen it;

"PicPick Note: PicPick is bundled with the Bing toolbar. Select Custom install if you don't want the toolbar. Use with caution, this program generates more negative comments than all others combined because of the added crapware."

Can't say it clearer than that.

Just out of curiosity, I download an older version of PicPick from a site, version 3.0.4, and ran it in virtual. The offer for the Bing toolbar was there so I declined the offer and ran the install, nothing else installed with it. But that's an older version, not much use to anyone who wants the latest one, I know. But as I mentioned before, I still use an older version of the program but just don't update it anymore. Still works fine for me so I continue to use it.

I can't remember what it was that installed with PicPick when I had the problem, all I do remember is that it caused me quite a bit of grief and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone now. It's a shame they spoiled it.

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Old 04. Apr 2012, 12:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I continue to use PicPick.. although I don't use it frequently, and I haven't installed it since its last 2-3 release I think. Still, I have found that if you are careful during the installation, nothing extra is installed. For me, that's OK. It's a trend nowadays with software to bundle something extra or the other. If they provide you with a clear enough choice to opt-out, it works for me.

Although as MC right says, the way they do it, keeps changing. For example, in case of DriverMax, I have noticed that they change the opt-out screen every version. Sometimes, immediately after the License for the main program, they show the license for the AVG toolbar, and it can be quite confusing, specially for a general user. The other times, they don't show the license screen, but simply show a simple third party software screen. So, such activities are a pain, and shady, because it indicates that they want the user to be fooled into installing the extra stuff, which shows their poor attitude towards their users.

The companies do need money to sustain their free products, but well, atleast they should do it with ethics.
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Old 04. Apr 2012, 12:54 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I think everyone can appreciate the fact that companies and developers need money to sustain their free products, Anupam. What drew my attention to this thread was that Georage.J mentioned BetterInstaller. I've come across it several times now, and it sneaks past me every time

I've just got used to getting rid of it manually, that's because I choose to use the software it comes bundled with. Yes it's a pain, and it's shady. I sometimes tend to think of it in geographical terms ie, what's shady in some places isn't considered shady in others - same can be said for ethics I suppose. No disrespect to any particular place intended. It's just the way it is.

It's all about what you can live with and what you can't. Most things come with a price these days. You just have to be more vigilant during installs and not click away at a hundred miles an hour - I think that's when most people are caught out.
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People like us can be vigilant, but the most affected are the general users, who do not read much on software or computers, and are not techie enough. Even if they do know little bit of computers, they are not aware of these extra bundled things. For them, installation means just clicking away. These are the ones that fall prey to such tactics. Nothing much can be done about it, I guess.
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