Gizmo's Freeware Forum - View Single Post - K-Meleon Firefox Comparison and History

whocares · 14. Oct 2009, 03:22 AM

i didn't mean to abuse or insult anyone, if i did.. i sincerely apologise, i was actually replying in a thread (i forgot where it was) to a couple of guys enquiring about k-meleon whether it was a good enough browser.

now it seems like i'm talking to a mirror but i didn't mean to sound like i'm bashing firefox and promoting k-meleon. the gecko is an outstanding engine and i still believe it's the best when it comes to standard-compliance.. it's just that it comes in horrible packages with xul.

the problem with favicons was a known bug mostly due to how gecko sends the icon to the urlbar in kmeleon.. even though mozilla is opensource..they don't really make it easy for others to adapt their engine.. lots of code is written specifically for xul and they don't really provide enough documentation for external devs (the people at epiphany got tired of this after years working with gecko and now they've migrated to webkit as far as i know)

i think that favicons bug was fixed in the latest km release 1.5.3, also make sure this pref value (about:config)
browser.chrome.favicons is set to true (by default it was set to false to avoid your mentioned bug)

i can't argue that firefox has got all the tools but only because the addons developer chose to write them for firefox only, only very few like wladimir palant has wrote adblockplus version for kmeleon..or gary goldstein(microrss).

in theory many ff addons can work on kmeleon..some were adapted..only the parts where it creates icons in the statusbar or toolbars are removed because those were written for xul interface. javascript extensions are easily injected with macros, toolbar buttons and menus are also made with macros and to manipulate the statusbar or add overlay functions is done with special k-meleon plugins(k-plugins) which must be written in c++.

you can find some of the adapted ff addons and special extensions written especially for k-meleon there:
http://kmext.sourceforge.net

not trying to promote k-meleon..this is a link if you are an already km user and would like to expand the browser features. the number of installed extensions in k-meleon have no affect whatsoever on performance, rendering speed or startup.. this is due that kmeleon doesn't need to load every addon chrome at startup like other browsers(since the ui is c++) and the extension is only called when needed or triggered by the user.

i hope i provided some useful info to any km user.

i;m very flattered midnightcowboy by your offer.. currently i'm in a somewhat transient state in my life and i'm not very sure of my writing skills either.. i'll consider it and let you know.

if i may, since it appears you have lots of readers here; i would like to add one last thing to firefox users.. but please trust me on this. if you use the noscript addon..please remove it. this addon is overhyped and it's not really a great extension(the settings for what it does are already in firefox prefs), but the problem is something is really fishy about this code and there's something not right about mr. maone.. i don't want to sound paranoid but something is wrong when an extension that merely controls javascript elements requires an update every couple of days.

we adapted noscript for k-meleon and it was causing unnecessary support but we did it because it has been requested several times by ex-firefox users..then we found a much better unknown extension called policy manager which is way more advanced than noscript.. for some odd reason the extension has been for a long time in the sandbox on amo -perhaps cause there was no money involved..who knows- anyway, this extension is called policy manager, creates zones ala ie style (like trusted , internet(global), restricted) with no limits on zones..you can create your zones and set different policies for each zone for scripting..you can disable everything for one zone..enable just a few for others etc and ofcourse you add websites under those zones for which you want them to comply to your restrictions or permissions.

i think you should try this addon because i really don't trust this guy maone and i don't think anyone should
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7066
http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_policymanager.html.en
(i'm not the writer of this extension and i don't even know him by the way)

also for ff 3.5, it might not let you install..i think you need to edit the install rdf file for max version.

thanks for reading my post.

14. Oct 2009, 03:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
whocares Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 14	i didn't mean to abuse or insult anyone, if i did.. i sincerely apologise, i was actually replying in a thread (i forgot where it was) to a couple of guys enquiring about k-meleon whether it was a good enough browser. now it seems like i'm talking to a mirror but i didn't mean to sound like i'm bashing firefox and promoting k-meleon. the gecko is an outstanding engine and i still believe it's the best when it comes to standard-compliance.. it's just that it comes in horrible packages with xul. the problem with favicons was a known bug mostly due to how gecko sends the icon to the urlbar in kmeleon.. even though mozilla is opensource..they don't really make it easy for others to adapt their engine.. lots of code is written specifically for xul and they don't really provide enough documentation for external devs (the people at epiphany got tired of this after years working with gecko and now they've migrated to webkit as far as i know) i think that favicons bug was fixed in the latest km release 1.5.3, also make sure this pref value (about:config) browser.chrome.favicons is set to true (by default it was set to false to avoid your mentioned bug) i can't argue that firefox has got all the tools but only because the addons developer chose to write them for firefox only, only very few like wladimir palant has wrote adblockplus version for kmeleon..or gary goldstein(microrss). in theory many ff addons can work on kmeleon..some were adapted..only the parts where it creates icons in the statusbar or toolbars are removed because those were written for xul interface. javascript extensions are easily injected with macros, toolbar buttons and menus are also made with macros and to manipulate the statusbar or add overlay functions is done with special k-meleon plugins(k-plugins) which must be written in c++. you can find some of the adapted ff addons and special extensions written especially for k-meleon there: http://kmext.sourceforge.net not trying to promote k-meleon..this is a link if you are an already km user and would like to expand the browser features. the number of installed extensions in k-meleon have no affect whatsoever on performance, rendering speed or startup.. this is due that kmeleon doesn't need to load every addon chrome at startup like other browsers(since the ui is c++) and the extension is only called when needed or triggered by the user. i hope i provided some useful info to any km user. i;m very flattered midnightcowboy by your offer.. currently i'm in a somewhat transient state in my life and i'm not very sure of my writing skills either.. i'll consider it and let you know. if i may, since it appears you have lots of readers here; i would like to add one last thing to firefox users.. but please trust me on this. if you use the noscript addon..please remove it. this addon is overhyped and it's not really a great extension(the settings for what it does are already in firefox prefs), but the problem is something is really fishy about this code and there's something not right about mr. maone.. i don't want to sound paranoid but something is wrong when an extension that merely controls javascript elements requires an update every couple of days. we adapted noscript for k-meleon and it was causing unnecessary support but we did it because it has been requested several times by ex-firefox users..then we found a much better unknown extension called policy manager which is way more advanced than noscript.. for some odd reason the extension has been for a long time in the sandbox on amo -perhaps cause there was no money involved..who knows- anyway, this extension is called policy manager, creates zones ala ie style (like trusted , internet(global), restricted) with no limits on zones..you can create your zones and set different policies for each zone for scripting..you can disable everything for one zone..enable just a few for others etc and ofcourse you add websites under those zones for which you want them to comply to your restrictions or permissions. i think you should try this addon because i really don't trust this guy maone and i don't think anyone should https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7066 http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_policymanager.html.en (i'm not the writer of this extension and i don't even know him by the way) also for ff 3.5, it might not let you install..i think you need to edit the install rdf file for max version. thanks for reading my post.