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Cnet (Download.com) Wrapped Installer
What exactly is the new Cnet Download Manager?
At one time, downloads requested from Cnet (Download.com) behaved like any other, you clicked the link and your download began. Now though, ordinary users are required to use Cnet's own wrapped installer in order to download a program. This means what you end up with could well contain additional elements you might not want, and if you fail to notice any “opt out's” during the install process, these extras will be installed on your computer.
Not all Cnet hosted programs have a wrapped installer, but those that do have the words "CNET Installer Enabled" displayed at the bottom of the green download button. There is however a direct download link just under this which bypasses the wrapped installer. A Cnet account is no longer necessary for direct downloads. This is a welcome development [February 2012] in response to the pressure exerted by both users and vendors who host their files with Cnet.
Overall, we still remain unhappy with the whole issue surrounding wrapped installers and will continue to link our own downloads to MajorGeeks, Softpedia and FileHippo instead.
There will be instances when programs are only available from Download.com, or where the alternative mirrors do not meet our criteria for reliability and safety. In such cases we will post a warning notice next to the download link.
As with all downloads, from wherever sourced, we recommend you scan the file with your resident antivirus first before executing it. Alternatively, you can use the free version of Malwarebytes which includes a right-click scan option, or upload/email the file to VirusTotal which uses multiple scanners.
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Last fall and after first learning about CNET beginning to use installation wrappers, I came across a related article at either lifehacker.com or ghacks.net, and some readers posted serious complaints about this wrapper. A CNET editor also posted and said that they were working on correcting this wrapper issue.
Do you know anything about what the CNET editor said, whether it be due to you also having read the article and comments at either of the two websites mentioned above besides CNET, or due to having read something similar to what the CNET editor said -- according to what I recall of his words?
All of our editors sift through masses of data during the course of their research and although some of it will be bookmarked/referenced, it's impossible to remember every detail. If you have something specific to add or point out in relation to our statement above please do so, but if you wish to just debate this subject please use the forum.
Download.com now clearly marks downloads that have the CNET ad-supported stub installer as "CNET Installer Enabled"; and Download.com now allows everyone to download via a Direct Download Link that bypasses the CNET installer -- you no longer need a CNET account for a direct download.
From: Dottech.org, February 28th, 2012
Many thanks for this information alexxx46, the article has now been updated.
all to easy to forget to un-tick the box for unwanted tool bars and waste precious time uninstalling them
WOT rating still remains excellent I wonder how many votes are needed to bring Cnet down
I've stopped using CNET like everyone else because of their slimey practices. Sometimes you have no choice, and end up having to use your uninstaller to clean out "Relevant Knowledge" or some other malware that snuck by you in the install. AT least from the comments here, I can see I'm not alone in this BOYCOTT. I doubt they'll smarten up, until they've lost all traffic to Majorgeeks, etc. I won't be going back !!
CNET's "slimey practices" and it including ""Relevant Knowledge" or some other malware that snuck by you in the install"?
I've downloaded from CNET very many times for some years and never had problems until CNET began using an installation wrapper for many downloads last fall. I did one such download and the file was around 0.5MB or so. Knowing that that definitely couldn't be for the application I wanted, with nothing else, I began using CNET only for editor reviews and links to the vendor websites in order to download from them.
A little later last fall, after first learning about CNET beginning to use installation wrappers, I came across a related page at either lifehacker.com or ghacks.net and some readers posted serious complaints about this wrapper.
And a CNET editor also posted, saying that they were working on correcting this wrapper issue.
"Relevant Knowledge" :
I believe to have downloaded some application installers that either included and installed this some years ago, but believe that it was the official installers, rather than this adware or whatever it is being due to either CNET, MajorGeeks or Softpedia. I think only or at most one of these downloads was possibly installed and that RK was detected by Virustotal.com or the installed Avira Antivir, so I didn't install the additional downloads and just deleted them, instead.
Exactly....
Well, it seems it is a trend.
Post-PC platforms lives and thrives on the new concept of "Store", basically you have a premium way (or only way, if the vendor wants!) to download software, through the store that stuffs you of advertising on the store, during the download, during the install, and after with in-app advertising.
That's true on os-vendors stores (and will be on Windows 8 app store too, as already announced by Ballmer) and also on third parts stores, like ones implemented by hardware producers and pre configured on all their devices, and in some cases you will ever have pre configured another store for your telco.
Not very different from what it's happening here, a big software distributor is running a platform to stuff you of more ads.
If you mind, we already live in an ad based word even on classic PCs, Windows Apple or Linux based: put aside ads on websites all modern browser have integrated search providers, Google, Bing, etc... basically doing what toolbars did, bringing users to respective companies, generating flow of searches and ads impressions, and, well, cash.
That's why browser market was so lively and why browser war was so important for biggest IT companies: there was the big money!
Now all major companies had understood that with "Store"-like technologies it is a similar earning potential hidden in any software, stuffing more ads in the same act: searching (your Google or Bing toolbar or search provider in the browser, moneys goes i.e. to Microsoft, Google or Mozilla) the software, downloading it (ads on site, moneys goes to Google and Download.com), and installing it (ads in the installer, moneys goes to Download.com).
And the developers? They never appear in this cash flow, and very few ones are big enough to live without the exposure on biggest download websites like Download.com, and anyway, if they release open source software, they cannot stop anyone repacking the software and distribute it any way they like it, until they keep it open.
I noticed Download.com was providing suspicious downloads when I was downloading some freeware, and the file size was very SMALL, eg 46kb. This indicates that you are NOT downloading a program, but rather a small file that needs to be opened and which then connects to the internet and downloads who knows what onto your computer.
I found the option to register and become a member of Download.com. With a user name and password you can get a second, separate 'Direct Download' link to properly download the full program
But who really knows if you are downloading a spyware free version
Download.com has been corrupted, and until this whole fiasco is reversed, it has permanently ruined its reputation, and I will avoid downloading from the site.
At this point I trust Softpedia, Fileforum, MajorGeeks, Snapfiles, Filehippo, but who knows when/if these sites too will be corrupted.
Thank you for your observations. I think there is a general concern about other sites going in the same direction. No doubt they will be watching developments concerning Download.com closely. In the meantime, wherever possible, we are using three of the sites you mention for our preferred download links.
Funny, seems like the point of wrapping it is to make money.
With the large amount of downloads the site has each month it sounds like it's going to tender or lease out a space in the installer and give the option to install a companies software. With hundreds of thousands of downloads every week you can very quickly expose your product to a vast amount of users quickly - hell, even if the user opts out of installing it, it's still been advertised to that user. Not a bad way to get your product exposed.
It could have a negative effect though as most users I think tend to loathe add on software in install wrappers because they have had a bad wrap in the past with people getting spyware,adware,viruses you name it from them.
Personally I will be using a different site in the future, I just can't be bothered with going through the wrappers prompts - I much prefer a straight link to the file.
I've noticed it for a while, luckily I installed the program in a sandbox.
Firefox users are a bit lucky because there's a Greecemonkey add on available with a script to get the actual installer(forget its name) for use on CNET. I've not tried it though.
Thanks for the tip, wasn't aware of this :)
Maybe we can get some feedback about how well it works?
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/111137
Good to see TSA being pro active in this regard.
If enough of us avoid CNET like the plague, they will have to adopt more honest business practices.
Yep. I don't like this at all and will hunt for things I need at different sites.
It is very irritating when the product's own page routes you to cnet/download.com for download.
Bad trend. And big kudos to you for taking steps to replace your Download.com links with those to an alternative source.
I am glad I stopped using Cnet a long time ago
There's another opinion about it here:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/93504-download-com-wraps-downloads-...
That article nails it. My go-to download repository is softpedia.com At least the people there are honest enough to tell you whether a program is safe to install or is ad-ware etc. They have a huge database of up-to-date releases. The last time a checked download.com did not have the latest versions of many (admittedly not so popular) software and that was the primary reason I stopped using it. After the recent announcements there is no returning back...
CNET has been my most trusted source for software. The majority of the software on my PC cam through their sight. The installer is an annoyance and it includes other software to download that you can opt out. CNET did warn some time ago that software developers would add other software with theirs (tool bars and such). This is the now the trend and I assume CNET is just following along;I wish they wouldn't,adding an alternative download make things look suspicious. However,like I said before,you are given the option to opt out of the additional download.
Firstly, thanks to MC and TSA for the heads-up.
I'm in total agreement with Anupam, mrfingerz and most of the posters here. It's a policy that is transgressing on my freedom of choice to download just what I want and nothing more. To be more specific - I DON"T want any Toolbar or other Add-on!!!
Have I used Cnet before? Yes. Compared to others here, I'm a real n00b, but lately I've been avoiding Cnet like the plague, even before MC brought this to my attention. Something, (call it instinct) just didn't feel right about how they run things.
I understand perfectly well what is causing this; it's the almighty dollar! It just feels like the "3rd party cookie story" all over again.
What ever happened to the days when people gave freely of themselves? Should I start charging for helping others? Should I demand $5 before helping an old lady cross the street? Sadly, the Internet and it's great potential for the good of mankind is not immune to man's greed - but I digress here and that a whole other story.
As far as I'm aware, you have to register to 'opt-out' and download the normal software. I also remember reading somewhere that they didn't notify vendors that they were going to 'wrap' their software and have recently now given the vendors the option to opt out. I haven't personally used Cnet for ages, preferring the alternatives mentioned in the article, this is poor practice all round from Cnet and I can only see it being detrimental in the long term.
Isn't it enough that other software developers are already bundling extra things with their software? Why do we need an extra bundled software by downloading from CNET when there are other download sites that offer the download without any such trouble. I think CNET is just taking advantage of the users here, just because it has been a trusted site for so long. Bad move on their part I would say.
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